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Gaia GPS has long been an integral part of trip planning and execution for Joan and me.
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The UI of Gaia software is commendable, and its diverse range of map layers makes it particularly appealing to outdoor enthusiasts.
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However, there’s been a noticeable shift in Gaia since the acquisition by the Borg Collective, previously known as Pocket Media, before becoming the Outside Interactive Inc. conglomerate. The software has started to show signs of bloat, bugs, and a departure from its original utility.
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Having worked in software companies, I feared the arc it would take –
- The core people who made the company would leave and take their knowledge with them.
- The software would try to appeal to a larger market share by adding more “features,” which leads to bloat, bugs, and a generally less and less stable piece of software.
- More money gets charged for the arguably inferior product
- This could mean the software might lose its original appeal to its core audience and ultimately transform into a different product. Less Gaia and more AllTrails – Social Media and Data Mining Bugalo.
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Three years later, it seems Outside Interactive Inc. follows this “classic” plan for Gaia.
It is a term called “enshittification.” And that’s where Gaia GPS seems headed.
To quote Cory Doctorow, the person who coined the term –
Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business |customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. I call this enshittification, and it is a seemingly inevitable consequence arising from the combination of the |ease of changing how a platform allocates value, combined with the nature of a “two-sided market”, where a platform sits between buyers and sellers, hold each hostage to the |other, raking off an ever-larger share of the value that passes between them.
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A reader passed along some troubling info about Gaia becoming not only more of a social media app, but a rather skeevy way of default sharing of information for any new tracks, waypoints, etc.
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The TL;DR is that Gaia potentially shares new tracks and data unless you mark it as private. And based on their past behavior, I don’t trust them for legacy tracks.
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Here is a compilation of information made. At his request there are no longer direct quotes.
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After your account is automatically created, you can go here to update your settings to ‘private’.
“Account creation happens automatically after logging into GaiaGPS.com.
To change your activity to “private“, after your account has been created go to https://accounts.outsideonline.com/oidc-frontend/settings/privacy and update your settings for “Profile Privacy“, which was automatically set to “Public“, and “Activity Privacy“, which was automatically set to “Everyone“.Mor suspect e past privacy behavior for , for Gaia GPS
The app has a new Product Lead, he did an introduction post on the Gaia sub a few days ago where users can share their opinions about the direction Outside Interactive Inc plans to take Gaia GPS.Here’s another post with a link to submit feedback.
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I find these new “features” problematic because of privacy issues, safety issues, and potential impact on sensitive cultural and ecological areas.
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An ethical company would make it so you have to opt-in by default, not make things public by default. It’s data mining, pure and straightforward, despite what corporate mouthpieces may state.
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The corporate mouthpiece said the quiet part out loud –
The only way to get more accurate data, is to have a community that is contributing in real-time to improve that data constantly.
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In other words, Outside Inc. has a vested interest in mining data to “improve” the product, but in reality, it is farming its user base to make more money. They want you to jump through hoops to make your data private by default. And for a product getting increasingly more expensive each year at that!
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The corporate mouthpiece even said “too bad” –
And you can set your default to Private. That’s my whole point, is that you have control over this. Simply go to your settings, then choose Default Privacy and Activity, and choose private. We offer a big link to do this in one of the required New Features screens before the user can even use the app.
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And, yes, a person can opt-out in a few easy steps.
However, the average user is not expecting to have to opt out nor is readily aware of the information, especially if they don’t use the web-based functionality of Gaia vs. the app.
As one Redditor put it –
– As a product guy, you should know very well the pernicious power of defaults. https://www.nngroup.com/articles/the-power-of-defaults/
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Shame on Outside Inc.!
In summary – Please fix the initial sharing settings!
As much as many of us aren’t happy about having a social media feed linked to a mapping app, it is the automatic opt in making us angry.
Gaia is a great app overall. Please don’t ruin it.
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What to do?
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I am going to start looking for a new primary app eventually.
It is a shame, as Avenza and CalTopo fit a niche for Joan and me, but we’ll miss the UI and (crucially) map layers available.
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The first step will require some organizational heavy lifting to organize and then export the tracks, but luckily, it is not hard overall –
“Online select the waypoints and add to a named folder. Then browse to that folder and data export.
Waypoint -> Folder -> Export
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Enshittifcation is the way the world works in our corporatist environment. When the tools no longer work how you need them to, they no longer make a helpful tool.
It is time to get a new tool in my kit as Outside Interactive Inc. is making an increasingly less useful one.
Paul, thanks for the heads-up. I certainly don’t want anything to do with Outside and their crappy magazine and overall ethos. On the other hand, I would say my preferred route-planning platform (Desktop/MacOS/Safari) has become considerably less buggy since the takeover.
I used Avenza on the Theodore Solomons trail in 2019 (thank you Mario Caceres for the track and notations!) and it worked great. May have to give it a try myself.
Good to.know. We use the desktop app ourselves for both Windows and OS X with no issues.on Chrome and FireFox.
I should add it is the app we find buggier (Android and iOS)
Avenza does make a good tool in the kit for sure
This is why it’s reasonable to be wary of acquisitions. The buyer is looking to invest in a source of revenue. That means either raising the price or making you, the user and your data, the product.
CalTopo and Avenza seem to work well. I’ve stopped using Gaia for some time.
No doubt the original developers that built it didn’t stick around.
In my Avy 1 class they taught us to use Avenza.
I like COTREX, I know it’s only for Colorado but you spend quite some time in the San Juan’s so it might be useful.
I’ve been loving the Avenza app combined with the Latitude 40 layers for the Silverton area San Juans.
I enjoy using Avenza but it is clunky to switch different maps. Which, I get it, as it is meant to purchase individual maps and allows companies and non-profits to put out maps.
Outside Magazine is one of the outlets that has ruined so many places yet if I want to use Gaia I have to “support” Outside. I just changed my privacy settings but they absolutely bury everything in legalize, multiple screens and links, and so on. It’s an obvious disdain for the public. Disgusting.
Personally, I never went digital in the first place… paper maps, boy scout Silva compass, 1974 Nols course navigation skills.
All my trade secrets are written on the maps themselves and nowhere else.
Unless I meet someone truly extraordinary… I will burn the maps before I die.
If years from now someone finds my favorite spot, and thinks they found it first, then maybe, just maybe, I did right by the world before I left.
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Thanks so much for this! As a long time Gaia user, I was aware I had an account with Gaia, but not with Outside. Turns out my Outside profile was set to public! This is really disturbing. I hope you’ll keep us informed of your journey to find new mapping tools. I was already on the fence about Gaia, but this is the last straw for me. I almost went with Caltopo, but on my new iPhone, the fonts for time, distance, etc are so small that I can’t read them without reading glasses. Caltopo tech support tells me there… Read more »
We tried GoatMaps but found it not-qute-ready for prime time. Granted, still in beta stages. But we did not find it useful in a backcountry situation. Have to try it again as they are releasing new versions.
Thanks. Just canceled my Premium renewal for this and other reasons – sad, because I enjoyed Gaia.
I have been using Caltopo as my primary desktop planning site for a long time now. In the last few years they have developed a pretty good mobile app which I am now planning to use more in the field in lieu of GAIA
I had been using CalTopo for online planning and Gaia as my app while hiking for years. But I just got back from a trip to the Winds where I tried using the CalTopo app and skipped Gaia. The CalTopo app worked great, had more layers than I could access on Gaia, and it was seamless with their online site. It’s interface took a moment to figure out, but I’d say, give it a try.
I use and like CalToo for certain needs but I find that only the USFS 2016 layer works for my needs in the appropriate areas. It also chokes on larger datasets I find.
I wish I could mix and match apps. Or I had enough skill to code my own.
I don’t like buyouts. I’ve seen too many times where the only people that really benefit are the founders who make life changing money on the sale. I don’t begrudge them that, they have worked hard for it, but the product is never the same. And ultimately the customers suffer. I wish more founders would keep their product long-term and then transfer in a way that takes proper care of the customers.
Sadly even when owners try to do that very thing, the company goes off the rails.
Neptune Mountaineering 2.0 served as an almost cautionary tale in my old town –
https://coloradosun.com/2019/07/25/neptune-mountaineering-revived-by-new-owners/
Yikes. Crazy how quickly it went south after Backwoods Retail bought it. Glad for the original owner and customers that someone has brought it back. But this is a great point and example.
I use Caltopo for desktop planning, and a mixture of Organic Maps, Peakbagger, and Caltopo in the field. I keep trying to love the Caltopo app, because it has some very useful layers like Slope Angle Shading, but it still feels too buggy to trust when using it offline.
And yeah, screw Outside Inc. for rolling up and strip-mining a bunch of formerly-independent outdoor-related companies. It seems OnX is doing something similar for mapping, e.g. buying Mountain Project. I imagine they’ll merge at some point.
That’s my method as well in terms of using Caltopo on the desktop for route planning. I still think Gaia is a great app in terms of functionaility but it is just going to get worse.
Unfotuntantely with our dominating corpartist culture, I suspect we’ll see more eshittification going forward.
Paul Revere Magnanti sounding the alarm again. Thank you. Am I the only one who would love to see these social mapping platforms to destroy themselves? They make these fragile places prematurely accessible to those who have not developed enough respect for where they’re going. It will only get worse with the inevitable rise of high-speed mobile satellite networks (Starlink, etc.). Cal Topo is the only one that does it right, IMO. No real social component. Just navigation and SAR focus. I’ve been using it for years and never had an issue the likes others seem to think are common… Read more »
I find CalTopo does not work as well as on large datasets, but overall a fine app.
I wish more map layers available overall.
If I still lived in Colorado I could make good use of the USFS2016 quite easily.
I’ve been using Avenza more frequently when the excellent Lat40 maps cover an area. Avenza works well but somewhat of a pain to switch layers. And the ala carte map model can get expensive
So it goes.
What do you mean exactly by large datasets? I’ve been using the web and mobile with multiple layers, imported layers, and overlays. Google sat images, satelite images updated every three days, etc. Am I missing something? I used Gaia concurrently for years and didn’t find it any better other than the UI polish and the proprietary map. LMK.
I found CalTopo did not like my 140 mile track when I did my GJ > Moab route and ran a bit sluggish. For weekend hikes, it seems to work fine. I did not use it ony 250 mile trek last year, however.
Ah. Good to know it has those issues. Thanks Paul.
I’ve never used it to track. Just maps/nav and way points in the field and uploading tracks from my watch once at home.
Oh, sorry, I did not make it clear, it was a pre-loaded 140 mile track. For some reason it did not like it. I, too, rarely track myself live.
Oh, and I completely agree about your other point.
I wrote this seven years ago. Sadly, I think it’s even more correct –
https://pmags.com/the-culture-of-connectivity-continues