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		By: Dealing with failure in the outdoors - Outdoor Pilgrim		</title>
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		By: Another Kevin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2015 03:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/outdoor-failures-what-we-learn-from-not-meeting-goals#comment-508205&quot;&gt;Another Kevin&lt;/a&gt;.

And I came back in June, and Did Not Finish again. But boy, did I learn a lot from that trip. It was a wet, wet spring, and the trail was &quot;submerged logs and quicksand&quot;. I tried to rock-hop one mudhole, slipped, broke my glasses and sprained my knee - 15 miles from the nearest road. I thought briefly about lighting my PLB, and realized that if I had, what the searchers would have done would be to put an Ace bandage on my knee and walk me out. Well, I can put an Ace wrap on my knee and hobble out myself.

I camped about a half mile down the trail, and then hiked out the 14.5 miles the next day on the bad knee, squinting through busted glasses, and with feet turning to hamburger from the mud. (Body Glide didn&#039;t work!)

So I learnt that I can hike a 15-mile day even on a trail with a few challenges (a ford, a lot of mud, a lot of wet granite), even hurt. That&#039;s a long day for my usual style even under ideal conditions! And I learnt, afterwards, about Gurney Goo, a much more effective water repellent and skin lubricant.

And after an enforced six-week hiatus for my knee to heal up, I climbed back on the horse one more time. Third time was the charm. The hike turned into a tangle of out-of-order sections rather than a thru hike, but I managed to finish. Not much for you, I know, but the first &quot;name&quot; trail that I ever managed to hike in its entirety.

Thanks for sharing your awesome &quot;failures&quot; and listening to my puny ones.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/outdoor-failures-what-we-learn-from-not-meeting-goals#comment-508205">Another Kevin</a>.</p>
<p>And I came back in June, and Did Not Finish again. But boy, did I learn a lot from that trip. It was a wet, wet spring, and the trail was &#8220;submerged logs and quicksand&#8221;. I tried to rock-hop one mudhole, slipped, broke my glasses and sprained my knee &#8211; 15 miles from the nearest road. I thought briefly about lighting my PLB, and realized that if I had, what the searchers would have done would be to put an Ace bandage on my knee and walk me out. Well, I can put an Ace wrap on my knee and hobble out myself.</p>
<p>I camped about a half mile down the trail, and then hiked out the 14.5 miles the next day on the bad knee, squinting through busted glasses, and with feet turning to hamburger from the mud. (Body Glide didn&#8217;t work!)</p>
<p>So I learnt that I can hike a 15-mile day even on a trail with a few challenges (a ford, a lot of mud, a lot of wet granite), even hurt. That&#8217;s a long day for my usual style even under ideal conditions! And I learnt, afterwards, about Gurney Goo, a much more effective water repellent and skin lubricant.</p>
<p>And after an enforced six-week hiatus for my knee to heal up, I climbed back on the horse one more time. Third time was the charm. The hike turned into a tangle of out-of-order sections rather than a thru hike, but I managed to finish. Not much for you, I know, but the first &#8220;name&#8221; trail that I ever managed to hike in its entirety.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your awesome &#8220;failures&#8221; and listening to my puny ones.</p>
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		By: Doug K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2015 16:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[not sure I understand the concept of &#039;outdoor failure&#039;.. given that limited time bank, and the amount of time I spend in a cubicle earning a crust, any time spent outdoors is already a win ;-) 

we DNS&#039;ed (did not summit) a peak on a Scout backpack trip, due to weather. This bothered me not at all, but it was interesting to see (and curb) summit fever in the boys. I tried to explain the idea of experiences rather than simple pass/fail goals, perhaps they will understand later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not sure I understand the concept of &#8216;outdoor failure&#8217;.. given that limited time bank, and the amount of time I spend in a cubicle earning a crust, any time spent outdoors is already a win 😉 </p>
<p>we DNS&#8217;ed (did not summit) a peak on a Scout backpack trip, due to weather. This bothered me not at all, but it was interesting to see (and curb) summit fever in the boys. I tried to explain the idea of experiences rather than simple pass/fail goals, perhaps they will understand later.</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2015 15:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/outdoor-failures-what-we-learn-from-not-meeting-goals#comment-507252&quot;&gt;Daniel&lt;/a&gt;.

One weekend I was pushing down the Manistee River in Michigan via canoe... I rested at a launch were a fellow was putting in.  I tols him I hopped to be at the highway bridge by evening (about 30miles down stream)  He looked at me like I was crazy and told me that IS NOT how you do a river.  He would make 15 miles that weekend - fishing favorite spots - swimming favorite spots - joining parties along the way.  I realized that I was missing a lot of good fun from being in a hurry to LOG miles.  I just like to experiance them now - older and wiser I hope.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/outdoor-failures-what-we-learn-from-not-meeting-goals#comment-507252">Daniel</a>.</p>
<p>One weekend I was pushing down the Manistee River in Michigan via canoe&#8230; I rested at a launch were a fellow was putting in.  I tols him I hopped to be at the highway bridge by evening (about 30miles down stream)  He looked at me like I was crazy and told me that IS NOT how you do a river.  He would make 15 miles that weekend &#8211; fishing favorite spots &#8211; swimming favorite spots &#8211; joining parties along the way.  I realized that I was missing a lot of good fun from being in a hurry to LOG miles.  I just like to experiance them now &#8211; older and wiser I hope.</p>
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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2015 15:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/outdoor-failures-what-we-learn-from-not-meeting-goals#comment-508356&quot;&gt;Patrick Stingley&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p&gt;Well 11 years later, I am not too hung up on it. :) Truth be told, even at the time I was only mildly disappointed. I did not have the fire to really complete it. p.s &#034;run&#034; is a strong word..plodding is more like it!&#160;&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/outdoor-failures-what-we-learn-from-not-meeting-goals#comment-508356">Patrick Stingley</a>.</p>
<p>Well 11 years later, I am not too hung up on it. 🙂 Truth be told, even at the time I was only mildly disappointed. I did not have the fire to really complete it. p.s &quot;run&quot; is a strong word..plodding is more like it!&nbsp;</p>
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		By: Paul Osborn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Osborn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2015 14:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good points Paul. My biggest let downs are not when weather, etc. prevent me, but when I didn&#039;t have enough foresight to train or prepare for them. That said, I learn for the next time!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Paul. My biggest let downs are not when weather, etc. prevent me, but when I didn&#8217;t have enough foresight to train or prepare for them. That said, I learn for the next time!</p>
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		By: Patrick Stingley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Stingley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2015 13:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You ran 71 miles?  That&#039;s beyond my wildest dreams.
You ran 71 miles, holy cow!

Self knowledge is worth it at any price.

Be grateful for your (failure).
It would be worse to have completed the race, and then another and another, mistaking success for happiness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You ran 71 miles?  That&#8217;s beyond my wildest dreams.<br />
You ran 71 miles, holy cow!</p>
<p>Self knowledge is worth it at any price.</p>
<p>Be grateful for your (failure).<br />
It would be worse to have completed the race, and then another and another, mistaking success for happiness.</p>
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		By: Another Kevin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Another Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2015 00:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I definitely want to get back to the Northville-Placid Trail and finish this season! I bailed because of a chest cold. When I started feeling better, I was running short of vacation time and leapfrogged forward about 60 miles, finishing the other end of the 135-mile trail. But that wasn&#039;t a failure, that was a great trip that was a little shorter than I&#039;d planned.

My peakbagging expeditions almost always run less than my itinerary calls for, but that&#039;s because I never do more - I stick fairly closely to the safety plan that I&#039;ve left with my wife, except for the possibility of cutting it short. So the plan is always overambitious, intentionally.

I have nowhere near your abilities on the trail - in fact, I probably don&#039;t aspire to hike with you someday because I&#039;ll be holding you back if I do. But I like what I do. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely want to get back to the Northville-Placid Trail and finish this season! I bailed because of a chest cold. When I started feeling better, I was running short of vacation time and leapfrogged forward about 60 miles, finishing the other end of the 135-mile trail. But that wasn&#8217;t a failure, that was a great trip that was a little shorter than I&#8217;d planned.</p>
<p>My peakbagging expeditions almost always run less than my itinerary calls for, but that&#8217;s because I never do more &#8211; I stick fairly closely to the safety plan that I&#8217;ve left with my wife, except for the possibility of cutting it short. So the plan is always overambitious, intentionally.</p>
<p>I have nowhere near your abilities on the trail &#8211; in fact, I probably don&#8217;t aspire to hike with you someday because I&#8217;ll be holding you back if I do. But I like what I do. 🙂</p>
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		By: Jim Muller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Muller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2015 14:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We like to go winter camping (wintercampers.com) and sometimes have to stop short of our initial objective.  More and more we strive to just enjoy our time in the backcountry; “It’s the journey, not the destination]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We like to go winter camping (wintercampers.com) and sometimes have to stop short of our initial objective.  More and more we strive to just enjoy our time in the backcountry; “It’s the journey, not the destination</p>
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		By: Grumpy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grumpy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2015 13:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the article, Paul
I&#039;ve been needing something like this.  I&#039;m planning my first attempt at a thru hike.  I chose the Colorado Trail because I&#039;m familiar with most of the area from my summit attempts of the Colorado 14ers.  The Colorado Trail Guidebook led me to your site.  You&#039;ve been a great help in my planning.  I&#039;ve turned back on enough summit attempts to be familiar with the syndrome that comes with that decision.  The possibility of a &quot;DNF&quot; on the thru hike has been in the back of my mind.  Your article reminded me of the saying, &quot;It&#039;s about the journey, not the destination&quot;.  I&#039;ll keep that saying at the forefront of my planning from now on.
Thanks,
Grumpy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article, Paul<br />
I&#8217;ve been needing something like this.  I&#8217;m planning my first attempt at a thru hike.  I chose the Colorado Trail because I&#8217;m familiar with most of the area from my summit attempts of the Colorado 14ers.  The Colorado Trail Guidebook led me to your site.  You&#8217;ve been a great help in my planning.  I&#8217;ve turned back on enough summit attempts to be familiar with the syndrome that comes with that decision.  The possibility of a &#8220;DNF&#8221; on the thru hike has been in the back of my mind.  Your article reminded me of the saying, &#8220;It&#8217;s about the journey, not the destination&#8221;.  I&#8217;ll keep that saying at the forefront of my planning from now on.<br />
Thanks,<br />
Grumpy.</p>
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