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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2025 03:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/top-ten-reasons-why-top-ten-gear-lists-mostly-suck#comment-709005&quot;&gt;Joseph Hamilton&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Water, food, and fuel.&quot;
Because that’s not a constant. Think of it like payload versus actual weight—my truck weighs X pounds in freedom units, but more if I’m hauling cinder blocks.

Is it a perfect way to measure pack weight? No.
But I don’t carry the same amount of rum and chocolate (the essentials) on every trip either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/top-ten-reasons-why-top-ten-gear-lists-mostly-suck#comment-709005">Joseph Hamilton</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Water, food, and fuel.&#8221;<br />
Because that’s not a constant. Think of it like payload versus actual weight—my truck weighs X pounds in freedom units, but more if I’m hauling cinder blocks.</p>
<p>Is it a perfect way to measure pack weight? No.<br />
But I don’t carry the same amount of rum and chocolate (the essentials) on every trip either.</p>
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		By: Joseph Hamilton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Hamilton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2025 21:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/top-ten-reasons-why-top-ten-gear-lists-mostly-suck#comment-709001&quot;&gt;Paul Mags&lt;/a&gt;.

“Colin Fletcher’s Gear List” on sectionhiker.com.

Gear lists, old and new, never include the consumables: water, food and fuel. There should be a disclaimer: “Hikers who drink, eat and cook may not see similar results.&quot;

Backpackers generally have healthy height to weight ratios so &lt;span&gt;the not to exceed 25% of body weight rule means&lt;/span&gt; not much cargo hauling capacity to begin with.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/top-ten-reasons-why-top-ten-gear-lists-mostly-suck#comment-709001">Paul Mags</a>.</p>
<p>“Colin Fletcher’s Gear List” on sectionhiker.com.</p>
<p>Gear lists, old and new, never include the consumables: water, food and fuel. There should be a disclaimer: “Hikers who drink, eat and cook may not see similar results.&#8221;</p>
<p>Backpackers generally have healthy height to weight ratios so <span>the not to exceed 25% of body weight rule means</span> not much cargo hauling capacity to begin with.</p>
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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2025 18:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/top-ten-reasons-why-top-ten-gear-lists-mostly-suck#comment-708998&quot;&gt;Joseph Hamilton&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;strong&gt;re: Leftovers for day hikes&lt;/strong&gt;

Joan and I do that very thing. In fact, one of our favorite pieces of gear is used often for that very purpose -&lt;br /&gt;
https://pmags.com/gear-review-uco-utility-spork-3-in-1-combo-spoon-fork-knife

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;
* Old Gear lists *&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

I appreciate how Fletcher wrote about the &quot;WHY&quot; and the &quot;HOW&quot; timelessly so well. His gear? Well, I come back to this 1960s gear list for the Appalachian Trail...14 lbs!
https://pmags.com/new-fangled-ultralight-backpacking    Heck, Earl Shaffer, to me gve the most timeless advice overall&lt;em&gt; &quot;Carry as little as possible, but choose that little with care.” &lt;/em&gt;

As for campfires, hopefully virtual ones.  Bakckcountry campfires are often not allowwed and a big PITA in these modern times.

EDIT - PS - Do you have that Fletcher post URL by any chance? I&#039;d sincerely love to read it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/top-ten-reasons-why-top-ten-gear-lists-mostly-suck#comment-708998">Joseph Hamilton</a>.</p>
<p><strong>re: Leftovers for day hikes</strong></p>
<p>Joan and I do that very thing. In fact, one of our favorite pieces of gear is used often for that very purpose &#8211;<br />
<a href="https://pmags.com/gear-review-uco-utility-spork-3-in-1-combo-spoon-fork-knife" rel="ugc">https://pmags.com/gear-review-uco-utility-spork-3-in-1-combo-spoon-fork-knife</a></p>
<p><em><strong><br />
* Old Gear lists *</strong></em></p>
<p>I appreciate how Fletcher wrote about the &#8220;WHY&#8221; and the &#8220;HOW&#8221; timelessly so well. His gear? Well, I come back to this 1960s gear list for the Appalachian Trail&#8230;14 lbs!<br />
<a href="https://pmags.com/new-fangled-ultralight-backpacking" rel="ugc">https://pmags.com/new-fangled-ultralight-backpacking</a>    Heck, Earl Shaffer, to me gve the most timeless advice overall<em> &#8220;Carry as little as possible, but choose that little with care.” </em></p>
<p>As for campfires, hopefully virtual ones.  Bakckcountry campfires are often not allowwed and a big PITA in these modern times.</p>
<p>EDIT &#8211; PS &#8211; Do you have that Fletcher post URL by any chance? I&#8217;d sincerely love to read it.</p>
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		By: Joseph Hamilton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Hamilton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2025 15:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One top ten list I found on line that seems to obviate some of your criticisms is from a company that guides on Mount Rainier. Each year they poll their guides about the gear they used. It says the guides buy their own gear and most of them would consider it foolish and unprofessional to depend on a free handout from their employer. That seems plausible to me but others may be skeptical.

On occasion I have hired mountaineering guides for day hikes and I have noticed that they snack on left overs and hydrate the old fashioned way (“drink”) rather than suck through a long tube.

On the other hand one of your on line peers posted an article comparing the weight of Colin Fletcher’s 1970s era packing list and what is would weigh today. There is something inarguable about a preference for a lighter weight item when one is carrying it versus sitting and talking and typing about it.

Finally I recall reading an old hand saying he gravitates to the campfire where they are not discussing gear.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One top ten list I found on line that seems to obviate some of your criticisms is from a company that guides on Mount Rainier. Each year they poll their guides about the gear they used. It says the guides buy their own gear and most of them would consider it foolish and unprofessional to depend on a free handout from their employer. That seems plausible to me but others may be skeptical.</p>
<p>On occasion I have hired mountaineering guides for day hikes and I have noticed that they snack on left overs and hydrate the old fashioned way (“drink”) rather than suck through a long tube.</p>
<p>On the other hand one of your on line peers posted an article comparing the weight of Colin Fletcher’s 1970s era packing list and what is would weigh today. There is something inarguable about a preference for a lighter weight item when one is carrying it versus sitting and talking and typing about it.</p>
<p>Finally I recall reading an old hand saying he gravitates to the campfire where they are not discussing gear.</p>
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		By: Jeremy Werlin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Werlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Top Ten List I pee in your general direction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Top Ten List I pee in your general direction.</p>
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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2018 22:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/top-ten-reasons-why-top-ten-gear-lists-mostly-suck#comment-645805&quot;&gt;Nick Gatel&lt;/a&gt;.

Nick, after I wrote this article I had a feeling you&#039;d like it. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/top-ten-reasons-why-top-ten-gear-lists-mostly-suck#comment-645805">Nick Gatel</a>.</p>
<p>Nick, after I wrote this article I had a feeling you&#8217;d like it. 🙂</p>
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		By: Scott		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2018 00:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Thanks as always for providing alternatives to the status quo and focusing on the journey instead of the product. You inspire many of us to explore new areas and approaches.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks as always for providing alternatives to the status quo and focusing on the journey instead of the product. You inspire many of us to explore new areas and approaches.</p>
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		By: Nick Gatel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Gatel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 23:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Jim Austin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Austin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2018 14:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I get bombarded with &#8220;Best of&#8230;&#8221; and Top 10 Listicles (love that &#8220;word&#8221;) in various facets of my life &#8212; hiking/backpacking, graphic design software and &#8220;secret tips,&#8221; best passenger rail journeys, and of course the same music and film lists we all see. Your article could apply to almost all of those. Thanks for the clarity!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&#8211;Skyline&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get bombarded with &#8220;Best of&#8230;&#8221; and Top 10 Listicles (love that &#8220;word&#8221;) in various facets of my life &#8212; hiking/backpacking, graphic design software and &#8220;secret tips,&#8221; best passenger rail journeys, and of course the same music and film lists we all see. Your article could apply to almost all of those. Thanks for the clarity!</p>
<p>&#8211;Skyline</p>
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		By: David Wilson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2018 12:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I find it cause for concern when my gear when it shows up on one of these lists.  Thanks Paul for breaking it down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it cause for concern when my gear when it shows up on one of these lists.  Thanks Paul for breaking it down.</p>
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