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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2019 00:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/thought-on-this-epic-pct-snow-year#comment-671236&quot;&gt;Dale Matson&lt;/a&gt;.

This article&#039;s publication date is June 2017 BTW. What I quoted in the nearly two-year-old article may or may not apply to this year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/thought-on-this-epic-pct-snow-year#comment-671236">Dale Matson</a>.</p>
<p>This article&#8217;s publication date is June 2017 BTW. What I quoted in the nearly two-year-old article may or may not apply to this year.</p>
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		By: Dale Matson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2019 00:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[China Peak ski resort near Huntington Lake has 380&quot; of snowfall thus far this season. Top ski elevation about 8,000&#039;. Most of the Sierra basins are over 10,000 and the JMT passes are 10,000&#039;-13,000&#039; FYI]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China Peak ski resort near Huntington Lake has 380&#8243; of snowfall thus far this season. Top ski elevation about 8,000&#8242;. Most of the Sierra basins are over 10,000 and the JMT passes are 10,000&#8242;-13,000&#8242; FYI</p>
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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/thought-on-this-epic-pct-snow-year#comment-671213&quot;&gt;Teresa Krall&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;d ask this question on the appropriate social media group such as found on Reddit or Facebook. You&#039;ll get much information from experienced Sierra hikers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/thought-on-this-epic-pct-snow-year#comment-671213">Teresa Krall</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d ask this question on the appropriate social media group such as found on Reddit or Facebook. You&#8217;ll get much information from experienced Sierra hikers.</p>
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		By: Teresa Krall		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am most interested in a doable snow year itinerary- at which points to leave the trail, where to hop back on) on this epic snow year, starting at the traditional times. Or alternatives such as starting at a point north which is not snowbound in early June and heading SOBO to allow for Sierra melt. I have open time late May to early August only and I&#039;ve already done section A. Next year isn&#039;t an option.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am most interested in a doable snow year itinerary- at which points to leave the trail, where to hop back on) on this epic snow year, starting at the traditional times. Or alternatives such as starting at a point north which is not snowbound in early June and heading SOBO to allow for Sierra melt. I have open time late May to early August only and I&#8217;ve already done section A. Next year isn&#8217;t an option.</p>
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		By: Dale Matson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This year many of the JMT trail portions of the PCT have large sections that are still snow covered. Orienting skills are paramount. All of the passes are snow covered and creeks are deep, fast and cold. For example the Evolution Creek crossing was neck deep. Grizzly Creek between Florence and Edison Lakes was impassable and folks had to take the road from Florence to Edison Lake. Kaiser Pass was not even open until late June so Vermillion Resort at Edison was not open either and it is a restocking point. Why not skip the JMT section, finish the PCT and come back and do the JMT last?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This year many of the JMT trail portions of the PCT have large sections that are still snow covered. Orienting skills are paramount. All of the passes are snow covered and creeks are deep, fast and cold. For example the Evolution Creek crossing was neck deep. Grizzly Creek between Florence and Edison Lakes was impassable and folks had to take the road from Florence to Edison Lake. Kaiser Pass was not even open until late June so Vermillion Resort at Edison was not open either and it is a restocking point. Why not skip the JMT section, finish the PCT and come back and do the JMT last?</p>
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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2017 03:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/thought-on-this-epic-pct-snow-year#comment-632358&quot;&gt;LarryBoy&lt;/a&gt;.

Good point, esp #3. More of a social experience vs. years past. Meaning? More time in towns. Which is why thru-hike times are going up on the more popular trails IMO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/thought-on-this-epic-pct-snow-year#comment-632358">LarryBoy</a>.</p>
<p>Good point, esp #3. More of a social experience vs. years past. Meaning? More time in towns. Which is why thru-hike times are going up on the more popular trails IMO.</p>
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		By: LarryBoy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2017 14:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great post and largely agree. Just a few things to add:

1) No Rain, No Pain, No Maine - it works back east. You can hike the whole trail at any point of the year (northern New England excepted). Out west, forest fires don&#039;t care how gritty you are - you ain&#039;t going thru there. If you&#039;re coming from an eastern hiking background, you probably don&#039;t understand that certain conditions aren&#039;t just unpleasant, they&#039;re impossible. 
2) After 5 or 6 low snow years in a row, I think PCT hikers have been lulled into a &quot;new normal&quot; - all their friends who hiked last year, two years ago, have been leaving KM in late May or early June for years now and it&#039;s never been a problem - so they push it back a week or two this year to account for the heavy snow. Unfortunately, they don&#039;t compensate enough, time-wise, for just how big the snow year is in comparison to all the other recent winters.
3) I&#039;d venture that people feel more time pressure now on the PCT than they used to. With more people on trail and people with less experience on trail, I&#039;d guess that the average PCTer takes longer to complete a thru-hike as opposed to, say, a decade ago. More time pressure means earlier starts in the Sierra.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and largely agree. Just a few things to add:</p>
<p>1) No Rain, No Pain, No Maine &#8211; it works back east. You can hike the whole trail at any point of the year (northern New England excepted). Out west, forest fires don&#8217;t care how gritty you are &#8211; you ain&#8217;t going thru there. If you&#8217;re coming from an eastern hiking background, you probably don&#8217;t understand that certain conditions aren&#8217;t just unpleasant, they&#8217;re impossible.<br />
2) After 5 or 6 low snow years in a row, I think PCT hikers have been lulled into a &#8220;new normal&#8221; &#8211; all their friends who hiked last year, two years ago, have been leaving KM in late May or early June for years now and it&#8217;s never been a problem &#8211; so they push it back a week or two this year to account for the heavy snow. Unfortunately, they don&#8217;t compensate enough, time-wise, for just how big the snow year is in comparison to all the other recent winters.<br />
3) I&#8217;d venture that people feel more time pressure now on the PCT than they used to. With more people on trail and people with less experience on trail, I&#8217;d guess that the average PCTer takes longer to complete a thru-hike as opposed to, say, a decade ago. More time pressure means earlier starts in the Sierra.</p>
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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
		<link>https://pmags.com/thought-on-this-epic-pct-snow-year#comment-632223</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2017 18:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/thought-on-this-epic-pct-snow-year#comment-632222&quot;&gt;Nick Gatel&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Nick. I&#039;ll link to the post where you quoted me. :D

http://popupbackpacker.com/the-death-of-renaissance-man/

It also happens to be an excellent post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/thought-on-this-epic-pct-snow-year#comment-632222">Nick Gatel</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Nick. I&#8217;ll link to the post where you quoted me. 😀</p>
<p><a href="http://popupbackpacker.com/the-death-of-renaissance-man/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://popupbackpacker.com/the-death-of-renaissance-man/</a></p>
<p>It also happens to be an excellent post.</p>
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		By: Nick Gatel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Gatel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2017 18:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Finally, I was shocked at the amount of crappy advice that was floating around the web about this epic year&quot;

Free advice is usually worth what you pay for it... pmags excluded :-)

The challenge of modern society is we can&#039;t figure things out by ourselves,  We need to ask our peers what to do and they usually don&#039;t know, Or we ask Google, who directs us to some self-proclaimed expert. Paul wrote an excellent post on this a while back were he quoted someone who had a great list of things people should be able to do. Maybe he&#039;ll post a link to it here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Finally, I was shocked at the amount of crappy advice that was floating around the web about this epic year&#8221;</p>
<p>Free advice is usually worth what you pay for it&#8230; pmags excluded 🙂</p>
<p>The challenge of modern society is we can&#8217;t figure things out by ourselves,  We need to ask our peers what to do and they usually don&#8217;t know, Or we ask Google, who directs us to some self-proclaimed expert. Paul wrote an excellent post on this a while back were he quoted someone who had a great list of things people should be able to do. Maybe he&#8217;ll post a link to it here.</p>
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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2017 17:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/thought-on-this-epic-pct-snow-year#comment-632216&quot;&gt;Malto&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;em&gt;Finally, I was shocked at the amount of crappy advice that was floating around the web about this epic year. This ranged from everyone can do it with Guthook app to everyone will die.&lt;/em&gt;

The truth is certainly somewhere in between! 

As mentioned, my friend was dumbfounded people were backpacking so early in the Sierra. This &quot;issue&quot; is beyond thru-hiking. Just something most people do not do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/thought-on-this-epic-pct-snow-year#comment-632216">Malto</a>.</p>
<p><em>Finally, I was shocked at the amount of crappy advice that was floating around the web about this epic year. This ranged from everyone can do it with Guthook app to everyone will die.</em></p>
<p>The truth is certainly somewhere in between! </p>
<p>As mentioned, my friend was dumbfounded people were backpacking so early in the Sierra. This &#8220;issue&#8221; is beyond thru-hiking. Just something most people do not do.</p>
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