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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;&#8230;the thief being government and the mugged being ALL Americans.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;the thief being government and the mugged being ALL Americans.</p>
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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/the-incredible-shrinking-monuments#comment-639291&quot;&gt;John&lt;/a&gt;.

An, but this compromise is akin to a thief agreeing to give back some of the money stolen from a mugging.  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/the-incredible-shrinking-monuments#comment-639291">John</a>.</p>
<p>An, but this compromise is akin to a thief agreeing to give back some of the money stolen from a mugging.  🙂</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/the-incredible-shrinking-monuments#comment-639290&quot;&gt;Paul Mags&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p&gt;Compromise!  The American way, or the way it used to be before all this radical polarization started.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/the-incredible-shrinking-monuments#comment-639290">Paul Mags</a>.</p>
<p>Compromise!  The American way, or the way it used to be before all this radical polarization started.</p>
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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/the-incredible-shrinking-monuments#comment-639289&quot;&gt;John&lt;/a&gt;.

That is my understanding as well. But there will be some lost in the end. Or at least that is what predict.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/the-incredible-shrinking-monuments#comment-639289">John</a>.</p>
<p>That is my understanding as well. But there will be some lost in the end. Or at least that is what predict.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/the-incredible-shrinking-monuments#comment-639288&quot;&gt;Paul Mags&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p&gt;I&#8217;m no legal expert but it my understanding that there would be no cost in the mean time (no shrinking of or development within the current monument boundaries) because no action can be taken by the administration until the lawsuits are settled.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/the-incredible-shrinking-monuments#comment-639288">Paul Mags</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no legal expert but it my understanding that there would be no cost in the mean time (no shrinking of or development within the current monument boundaries) because no action can be taken by the administration until the lawsuits are settled.</p>
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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/the-incredible-shrinking-monuments#comment-639285&quot;&gt;John&lt;/a&gt;.

Ah, but the trend is to make places less wild and remote over all. Even before Trump. See something I just published. :) As I said, a balance will be struck, but at what cost in the mean time?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/the-incredible-shrinking-monuments#comment-639285">John</a>.</p>
<p>Ah, but the trend is to make places less wild and remote over all. Even before Trump. See something I just published. 🙂 As I said, a balance will be struck, but at what cost in the mean time?</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if it will make you feel any better but my generation, the Baby Boomers, looked around in the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s and saw nothing but pollution of our forests, streams, rivers, etc.  It was really bad. I didn’t think it could be reversed. 

Anyway, there was a great push to increase awareness of the environment. A popular TV commercial then was of an Indian with a tear on his cheek paddling through a trash-filled stream.  You can see it on YouTube.
 
But, things got better.  For instance, I think it was Lake Erie was considered a dead lake. A few years later it was revived through conservation efforts.  We also got recycling started.  Unfortunately, these last couple of generations seem to have forgotten (or were never taught) because I see them throwing trash on the streets all the time.

On the other side of the conservation efforts, there were strict conservationists who thought fire suppression was the best way to preserve our forests only to find out decades later that it was actually a good thing for forests and part of their reproduction cycles. We were learning.

I remember thinking back then that if they continued making land use laws stricter that we may end up with a country with the most pristine land in the world but with people starving for want of jobs.  This can be seen in some cities and states where it takes a decade of environmental studies and millions of dollars to get a permit to construct housing.  So, our housing costs skyrocket hurting the poor.

The nice thing about America is that we are a country of laws.  Everything will be played out in the courts. I suspect that a balance will be achieved.  It’s too early for a gloomy take on these recent developments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if it will make you feel any better but my generation, the Baby Boomers, looked around in the 60&#8217;s and 70&#8217;s and saw nothing but pollution of our forests, streams, rivers, etc.  It was really bad. I didn’t think it could be reversed. </p>
<p>Anyway, there was a great push to increase awareness of the environment. A popular TV commercial then was of an Indian with a tear on his cheek paddling through a trash-filled stream.  You can see it on YouTube.</p>
<p>But, things got better.  For instance, I think it was Lake Erie was considered a dead lake. A few years later it was revived through conservation efforts.  We also got recycling started.  Unfortunately, these last couple of generations seem to have forgotten (or were never taught) because I see them throwing trash on the streets all the time.</p>
<p>On the other side of the conservation efforts, there were strict conservationists who thought fire suppression was the best way to preserve our forests only to find out decades later that it was actually a good thing for forests and part of their reproduction cycles. We were learning.</p>
<p>I remember thinking back then that if they continued making land use laws stricter that we may end up with a country with the most pristine land in the world but with people starving for want of jobs.  This can be seen in some cities and states where it takes a decade of environmental studies and millions of dollars to get a permit to construct housing.  So, our housing costs skyrocket hurting the poor.</p>
<p>The nice thing about America is that we are a country of laws.  Everything will be played out in the courts. I suspect that a balance will be achieved.  It’s too early for a gloomy take on these recent developments.</p>
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		By: Kelly Carter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly Carter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the single most effective thing we can do is organize and work to NOT let Trump get another four years. Possibly people on all points of the political spectrum can play a part: get Republicans and Democrats *both* to choose better candidates; support those in both parties who put country and traditional American values and principles over party, and don&#039;t let the means (especially despicable) justify the political end. I&#039;ve long voted Republican and conservative (dating back to Richard Nixon! ugh), but I&#039;m open to supporting Democrats or whatever it takes to move our country back to something that resembles the ideals that I believe our nation (even if we resort to national *myth*) stands for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the single most effective thing we can do is organize and work to NOT let Trump get another four years. Possibly people on all points of the political spectrum can play a part: get Republicans and Democrats *both* to choose better candidates; support those in both parties who put country and traditional American values and principles over party, and don&#8217;t let the means (especially despicable) justify the political end. I&#8217;ve long voted Republican and conservative (dating back to Richard Nixon! ugh), but I&#8217;m open to supporting Democrats or whatever it takes to move our country back to something that resembles the ideals that I believe our nation (even if we resort to national *myth*) stands for.</p>
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		By: grannyhiker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2017 20:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am donating (minuscule amounts, unfortunately, since that’s all I have) to the organizations that are filing suit.  I’m especially concerned that the tribes will need help with their legal expenses.  In the meantime, Earth Justice has filed suit against the evisceration of both Bears Ears and Grand Staircase/Escalante on behalf of a number of conservation organizations, so I’m starting there.  

Letters to the editor and to congresspersons/senators are always appropriate.  If, as in my case, your senators and congressperson are already supportive, it doesn’t hurt to encourage them!

I’m waiting for the next axe to fall on Cascade/Siskiyou and its unique environment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am donating (minuscule amounts, unfortunately, since that’s all I have) to the organizations that are filing suit.  I’m especially concerned that the tribes will need help with their legal expenses.  In the meantime, Earth Justice has filed suit against the evisceration of both Bears Ears and Grand Staircase/Escalante on behalf of a number of conservation organizations, so I’m starting there.  </p>
<p>Letters to the editor and to congresspersons/senators are always appropriate.  If, as in my case, your senators and congressperson are already supportive, it doesn’t hurt to encourage them!</p>
<p>I’m waiting for the next axe to fall on Cascade/Siskiyou and its unique environment.</p>
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