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		By: Dogwood		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 02:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This may seem like a nuance but I see infinite degrees of hiking speed. That is, there are many degrees of speed hiking and many degrees of sloooowweer hiking. However,  I see no clear cut determination of what constitutes a speed hike or sloooowwer hike recognized.  I&#039;ve done variations of both from my own perspective. It seems though we are only concerned about superlatives - the FKTs. No one wants to know or make a big deal about who holds the 7th fastest  AT thru-hiking time. 

For me, a speedier hike can, and often does, change the way I experience the hike much in the same way a different experience is incurred traveling by mountain  bike, where I would typically be traveling at a faster rate, than being on foot. I would say I tend to take in less detail and often have less of a connection to Nature when I hike faster, that is at a faster rate, higher MPH avg. But, that may just be me and I shouldn&#039;t necessarily apply my paradigm to other hikers doing their hike. 

Although I deeply admire one speed hiker who said he sees more being a record holding speed hiker because he hikes during the crepuscular times of day, when animals are most active, usually at dawn and dusk, those hiking conditions aren&#039;t relegated strictly to the speed hiking community. I&#039;ve noticed slower or more moderate hikers that also hike during those times. You don&#039;t need to be a speed hiker or after a speed record to be on the trail enjoying  wildlife during those times.

I&#039;m with you though Mags. . Who is anyone to say what constitutes a valid deeply moving hike for some else? There&#039;s room for everyone doing their hike.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may seem like a nuance but I see infinite degrees of hiking speed. That is, there are many degrees of speed hiking and many degrees of sloooowweer hiking. However,  I see no clear cut determination of what constitutes a speed hike or sloooowwer hike recognized.  I&#8217;ve done variations of both from my own perspective. It seems though we are only concerned about superlatives &#8211; the FKTs. No one wants to know or make a big deal about who holds the 7th fastest  AT thru-hiking time. </p>
<p>For me, a speedier hike can, and often does, change the way I experience the hike much in the same way a different experience is incurred traveling by mountain  bike, where I would typically be traveling at a faster rate, than being on foot. I would say I tend to take in less detail and often have less of a connection to Nature when I hike faster, that is at a faster rate, higher MPH avg. But, that may just be me and I shouldn&#8217;t necessarily apply my paradigm to other hikers doing their hike. </p>
<p>Although I deeply admire one speed hiker who said he sees more being a record holding speed hiker because he hikes during the crepuscular times of day, when animals are most active, usually at dawn and dusk, those hiking conditions aren&#8217;t relegated strictly to the speed hiking community. I&#8217;ve noticed slower or more moderate hikers that also hike during those times. You don&#8217;t need to be a speed hiker or after a speed record to be on the trail enjoying  wildlife during those times.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you though Mags. . Who is anyone to say what constitutes a valid deeply moving hike for some else? There&#8217;s room for everyone doing their hike.</p>
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		By: Paul from Scotland		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul from Scotland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2014 20:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting topic.  I sometimes think of trail running, ultra-running and backpacking as cousins, and maybe that&#039;s why people are interested in FKTs.

If you are on the trail, you are on the trail.

I like taking it slow, and savouring my surroundings, and I often backpack this way (in part because of those I hike with).

But I also love to run.  And, there&#039;s a buzz on a good descent off a big hill.

So it&#039;s all good.

On a recent trip to the Grand Canyon, backpacking slow, I met a runner at Phantom Ranch (that is, at the bottom of the canyon, on the banks of the Colorado river).  I was doing a three day backpacking trip, he was running across the canyon and back in one day.  And we were both all there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic.  I sometimes think of trail running, ultra-running and backpacking as cousins, and maybe that&#8217;s why people are interested in FKTs.</p>
<p>If you are on the trail, you are on the trail.</p>
<p>I like taking it slow, and savouring my surroundings, and I often backpack this way (in part because of those I hike with).</p>
<p>But I also love to run.  And, there&#8217;s a buzz on a good descent off a big hill.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s all good.</p>
<p>On a recent trip to the Grand Canyon, backpacking slow, I met a runner at Phantom Ranch (that is, at the bottom of the canyon, on the banks of the Colorado river).  I was doing a three day backpacking trip, he was running across the canyon and back in one day.  And we were both all there.</p>
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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/fkts-records-and-other-shenanigans#comment-413682&quot;&gt;psyco heiko&lt;/a&gt;.

Good to hear from you Heiko!!! I&#039;d like to hear the SKT as well. ;)  My wife still wears the Wurzburg hat on all our trips together!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/fkts-records-and-other-shenanigans#comment-413682">psyco heiko</a>.</p>
<p>Good to hear from you Heiko!!! I&#8217;d like to hear the SKT as well. 😉  My wife still wears the Wurzburg hat on all our trips together!</p>
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		By: psyco heiko		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[psyco heiko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[hi mags
i hold a record nobody can beat. i am the first male triple crowner from Germany.but i like to know who hiked the trails the slowest.
greetings from germany]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi mags<br />
i hold a record nobody can beat. i am the first male triple crowner from Germany.but i like to know who hiked the trails the slowest.<br />
greetings from germany</p>
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		By: Load		</title>
		<link>https://pmags.com/fkts-records-and-other-shenanigans#comment-413508</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Load]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2014 02:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you&#039;re being true to whatever it is that you&#039;re doing, have at it.
I do find myself wondering more and more if it is okay to jump on a plane and fly cross country to do a hike or drive hours to get to that lovely place that I like to do a weekend hike. But that&#039;s a different subject.
Just getting out there is a good start!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re being true to whatever it is that you&#8217;re doing, have at it.<br />
I do find myself wondering more and more if it is okay to jump on a plane and fly cross country to do a hike or drive hours to get to that lovely place that I like to do a weekend hike. But that&#8217;s a different subject.<br />
Just getting out there is a good start!</p>
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		By: Tony McGuire		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony McGuire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2014 23:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love hearing about other&#039;s adventures, be they fast, slow or in between (of course, I would rather be out on my own adventures, but that&#039;s not always possible).  However, I am in full agreement about Kristin Gates and her Brooks Range traverse, as well as her kayaking the Yukon river to the Bering sea this summer!  Truly fascinating!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love hearing about other&#8217;s adventures, be they fast, slow or in between (of course, I would rather be out on my own adventures, but that&#8217;s not always possible).  However, I am in full agreement about Kristin Gates and her Brooks Range traverse, as well as her kayaking the Yukon river to the Bering sea this summer!  Truly fascinating!</p>
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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
		<link>https://pmags.com/fkts-records-and-other-shenanigans#comment-413369</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2014 15:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/fkts-records-and-other-shenanigans#comment-413360&quot;&gt;JT&lt;/a&gt;.

If a person has room-mates, does not own a home (or even a car) and is supported vs Joe Backpacker who owns a home, an SUV, and a wide screen TV using as many resources? :) I honestly don&#039;t know. Even thru-hikers often make use of local grocery stores and rides from people. All using petrochemicals.  

What I do know is if we go down THAT rabbit hole, well..that&#039;s a whole &#039;nother article! :D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/fkts-records-and-other-shenanigans#comment-413360">JT</a>.</p>
<p>If a person has room-mates, does not own a home (or even a car) and is supported vs Joe Backpacker who owns a home, an SUV, and a wide screen TV using as many resources? 🙂 I honestly don&#8217;t know. Even thru-hikers often make use of local grocery stores and rides from people. All using petrochemicals.  </p>
<p>What I do know is if we go down THAT rabbit hole, well..that&#8217;s a whole &#8216;nother article! 😀</p>
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		By: Freefall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Freefall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2014 15:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/fkts-records-and-other-shenanigans#comment-413360&quot;&gt;JT&lt;/a&gt;.

I have to agree on this for the supported hikes. I find it kind of silly that there are support vehicles out there. If there&#039;s one thing I have appreciated about long-distance hiking, it is the return to living a simplistic lifestyle. Having a support vehicle follow you all the way from one border to the other is a bit lavish, and dare I say, unsustainable. I love the idea of FKTs, especially when they are unsupported.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/fkts-records-and-other-shenanigans#comment-413360">JT</a>.</p>
<p>I have to agree on this for the supported hikes. I find it kind of silly that there are support vehicles out there. If there&#8217;s one thing I have appreciated about long-distance hiking, it is the return to living a simplistic lifestyle. Having a support vehicle follow you all the way from one border to the other is a bit lavish, and dare I say, unsustainable. I love the idea of FKTs, especially when they are unsupported.</p>
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		By: JT		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2014 14:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The one thing about fully supported attempts that niggles at the back of my mind is the amount of resources consumed and waste produced to have a &quot;nature experience.&quot; I realize this concern has a definite element of hypocrisy as I certainly drive to trail heads and own sweet gear that is made out of God knows what. I guess something I always strive for in my adventures is a bit of elegance and simplicity and the thought of someone driving a small house all day to keep me comfy is a little strange.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing about fully supported attempts that niggles at the back of my mind is the amount of resources consumed and waste produced to have a &#8220;nature experience.&#8221; I realize this concern has a definite element of hypocrisy as I certainly drive to trail heads and own sweet gear that is made out of God knows what. I guess something I always strive for in my adventures is a bit of elegance and simplicity and the thought of someone driving a small house all day to keep me comfy is a little strange.</p>
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		By: Jim Bullard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Bullard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2014 14:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IMO It&#039;s a matter of mindfulness, or in contemporary terms, where your head is at while hiking. Arguably a person who is intent on making XX miles before dark is not going to have the same experience as someone who is entirely focused on enjoying the experience of being in the outdoors. Of course that is not to say that one experience is &#039;better&#039; than the other. It&#039;s just different and we all experience things differently even when we hike togather. I&#039;ve done hikes where my objective was to get from A to B and others where the objective was to &#039;be there&#039; in the woods, just wandering wherever. They are different, both good in their place. The only judge of the success or quality of a hike should be the hiker undertaking the hike.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO It&#8217;s a matter of mindfulness, or in contemporary terms, where your head is at while hiking. Arguably a person who is intent on making XX miles before dark is not going to have the same experience as someone who is entirely focused on enjoying the experience of being in the outdoors. Of course that is not to say that one experience is &#8216;better&#8217; than the other. It&#8217;s just different and we all experience things differently even when we hike togather. I&#8217;ve done hikes where my objective was to get from A to B and others where the objective was to &#8216;be there&#8217; in the woods, just wandering wherever. They are different, both good in their place. The only judge of the success or quality of a hike should be the hiker undertaking the hike.</p>
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