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		By: The scourge of Rec DOT gov &#124; PMags.com		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The scourge of Rec DOT gov &#124; PMags.com]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[…] just know what BAH and their ilk do to our public lands, and the experience on the public lands becomes worrisome to me.  And the overall trend is not a good […]]]></description>
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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
		<link>https://pmags.com/corporate-sponsorship-in-the-national-parks#comment-585542</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2016 01:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/corporate-sponsorship-in-the-national-parks#comment-584770&quot;&gt;Nick Gatel&lt;/a&gt;.

You may already know this, but there is a mandate to have WiFi in all national parks by 2018. 
http://federalnewsradio.com/mobility/2015/12/national-park-service-bringing-online-outside/

Not sure if it is strictly national parks, or all NPS units. I&#039;d hate to see WiFi in a remote, special and, dare I say, scared place such as Chaco Canyon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/corporate-sponsorship-in-the-national-parks#comment-584770">Nick Gatel</a>.</p>
<p>You may already know this, but there is a mandate to have WiFi in all national parks by 2018.<br />
<a href="http://federalnewsradio.com/mobility/2015/12/national-park-service-bringing-online-outside/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://federalnewsradio.com/mobility/2015/12/national-park-service-bringing-online-outside/</a></p>
<p>Not sure if it is strictly national parks, or all NPS units. I&#8217;d hate to see WiFi in a remote, special and, dare I say, scared place such as Chaco Canyon.</p>
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		By: Dale Matson		</title>
		<link>https://pmags.com/corporate-sponsorship-in-the-national-parks#comment-585501</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2016 22:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/corporate-sponsorship-in-the-national-parks#comment-584579&quot;&gt;Nick Gatel&lt;/a&gt;.

The spirit of why the parks were created to begin with was for people to have access to nature because they had become too &quot;civilized&quot; John Muir himself led trips into the wilderness. Your &quot;plan&quot; to remove all roads within 20 miles of Yosemite is not only unrealistic, it is elitist and would keep all those with mobility impairments from ever seeing the wonderful Yosemite sights. My question is, &quot;Why does the NPS have an 11 billion dollar shortfall? The gate receipts at Yosemite alone would be enough to run many of the parks. If corporate sponsors help fund the park, what do you think will happen to even more park revenue? It will be channeled to other government expenditures and the parks will become even more dependent on corporate sponsorships.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/corporate-sponsorship-in-the-national-parks#comment-584579">Nick Gatel</a>.</p>
<p>The spirit of why the parks were created to begin with was for people to have access to nature because they had become too &#8220;civilized&#8221; John Muir himself led trips into the wilderness. Your &#8220;plan&#8221; to remove all roads within 20 miles of Yosemite is not only unrealistic, it is elitist and would keep all those with mobility impairments from ever seeing the wonderful Yosemite sights. My question is, &#8220;Why does the NPS have an 11 billion dollar shortfall? The gate receipts at Yosemite alone would be enough to run many of the parks. If corporate sponsors help fund the park, what do you think will happen to even more park revenue? It will be channeled to other government expenditures and the parks will become even more dependent on corporate sponsorships.</p>
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		By: Bamboo Bob Sartini		</title>
		<link>https://pmags.com/corporate-sponsorship-in-the-national-parks#comment-585320</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2016 00:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Denali is a pretty good model I think.]]></description>
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		By: Nick Gatel		</title>
		<link>https://pmags.com/corporate-sponsorship-in-the-national-parks#comment-584770</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2016 00:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a feeling that the NPS has two big metrics in most parks: visitor count and revenue from visitors and vendors. Add, widen, and improve roads brings in more visitors. Soon WiFi will be added to lure more people to the Parks -- mark my words. Sponsors will increase revenues, especially at Yosemite-McDonalds National Park, Yellowstone-Staples Center National Park, and Trump Tower Grand Canyon National Park. And watch, those companies will end up owning the names Yosemite NP, Yellowstone NP, and Grand Canyon NP.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a feeling that the NPS has two big metrics in most parks: visitor count and revenue from visitors and vendors. Add, widen, and improve roads brings in more visitors. Soon WiFi will be added to lure more people to the Parks &#8212; mark my words. Sponsors will increase revenues, especially at Yosemite-McDonalds National Park, Yellowstone-Staples Center National Park, and Trump Tower Grand Canyon National Park. And watch, those companies will end up owning the names Yosemite NP, Yellowstone NP, and Grand Canyon NP.</p>
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		By: BeeKeeper		</title>
		<link>https://pmags.com/corporate-sponsorship-in-the-national-parks#comment-584703</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2016 14:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The distribution of federal funds is a sham. How did the parks and forests become low man on the totem pole? Adding user fees first to secure more funding then slashing staff and programs isn&#039;t working. I was recently in an area where there use to be 100 employees living in ranger housing, now there are a handful and they are planning to tear down the unused facilities because they can&#039;t afford to maintain. My suspicion is the tide will turn and we&#039;ll get to pay to replace those facilities. 

I don&#039;t want Disneyland like parks or wilderness areas. I&#039;d like maintained trails and access roads with backcountry rangers and knowledgeable resource staff. They need to reset priorities and corporate sponsorship is not going to fix unless the rules are strict. As you said without ROI they won&#039;t play. Lose lose!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The distribution of federal funds is a sham. How did the parks and forests become low man on the totem pole? Adding user fees first to secure more funding then slashing staff and programs isn&#8217;t working. I was recently in an area where there use to be 100 employees living in ranger housing, now there are a handful and they are planning to tear down the unused facilities because they can&#8217;t afford to maintain. My suspicion is the tide will turn and we&#8217;ll get to pay to replace those facilities. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want Disneyland like parks or wilderness areas. I&#8217;d like maintained trails and access roads with backcountry rangers and knowledgeable resource staff. They need to reset priorities and corporate sponsorship is not going to fix unless the rules are strict. As you said without ROI they won&#8217;t play. Lose lose!</p>
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		By: Jarrett		</title>
		<link>https://pmags.com/corporate-sponsorship-in-the-national-parks#comment-584700</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2016 14:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree, on paper this sounds like a great idea and it&#039;s sad there probably isn&#039;t a way for corporations and government to work together to meet the goals and ideals of the NPS.  It also gives me mixed feelings about park access.  What should be maintained first in order to keep outdoors coming back and interesed?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, on paper this sounds like a great idea and it&#8217;s sad there probably isn&#8217;t a way for corporations and government to work together to meet the goals and ideals of the NPS.  It also gives me mixed feelings about park access.  What should be maintained first in order to keep outdoors coming back and interesed?</p>
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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
		<link>https://pmags.com/corporate-sponsorship-in-the-national-parks#comment-584585</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2016 00:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/corporate-sponsorship-in-the-national-parks#comment-584579&quot;&gt;Nick Gatel&lt;/a&gt;.

I take a more moderate view, but I think it is safe to say that we are slowly (or maybe not so slowly) turning national parks into Amusement Parks.  

In Abbey&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Industrial Tourism&lt;/em&gt; essay he does mention only allowing shuttles on the roads. Otherwise hike, ride a bike along the road or perhaps horseback. A good first step that would eliminate congestion, maintenance and hassle. I&#039;ve used the shuttle in RMNP on occasion. Works fine. I wish it was expanded more to the OTHER side of the park. But the concessionaires and businesses related to the park probably would not like it. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/corporate-sponsorship-in-the-national-parks#comment-584579">Nick Gatel</a>.</p>
<p>I take a more moderate view, but I think it is safe to say that we are slowly (or maybe not so slowly) turning national parks into Amusement Parks.  </p>
<p>In Abbey&#8217;s <em>Industrial Tourism</em> essay he does mention only allowing shuttles on the roads. Otherwise hike, ride a bike along the road or perhaps horseback. A good first step that would eliminate congestion, maintenance and hassle. I&#8217;ve used the shuttle in RMNP on occasion. Works fine. I wish it was expanded more to the OTHER side of the park. But the concessionaires and businesses related to the park probably would not like it. 🙂</p>
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		By: Paul Mags		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2016 00:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pmags.com/corporate-sponsorship-in-the-national-parks#comment-584576&quot;&gt;Bill&lt;/a&gt;.

I think concessionaires are among the worse things to happen to national parks personally.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pmags.com/corporate-sponsorship-in-the-national-parks#comment-584576">Bill</a>.</p>
<p>I think concessionaires are among the worse things to happen to national parks personally.</p>
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		By: Nick Gatel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2016 23:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, you wrote this for me, right?

We need to keep in mind that National Parks, like some Civil War battlegrounds are different than places like Yosemite, Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, Death Valley, or Joshua Tree. These National Parks we need to preserve... now preservation doesn&#039;t mean to make access easy or to remake them into the image of what Walt Disney would build -- an amusement park. We need to preserve them so future generations can visit them and see them just like we found them, when the first White visitors came upon them.

We need to revert the above named Parks, and many more, back into wilderness. Wilderness isn&#039;t roads, hotels, traffic, public buses, smog, eateries, humanized animals, and the other travesties we have bestowed on these wonderful places. 

Teddy Roosevelt said,

&quot;It is also vandalism wantonly to destroy or to permit the destruction of what is beautiful in nature, whether it be a cliff, a forest, or a species of mammal or bird. Here in the United States we turn our rivers and streams into sewers and dumping-grounds, we pollute the air, we destroy forests, and exterminate fishes, birds and mammals -- not to speak of vulgarizing charming landscapes with hideous advertisements. But at last it looks as if our people were awakening.&quot;

Yosemite Valley and many other National Parks are now vulgarized versions of what the once were -- when we first found them. What we have done to places like Yosemite Valley, the Grand Canyon, and many other places, is exactly what Roosevelt complained about.

A few years ago I put together a plan for Yosemite. We can apply it to most of our other National Parks.

YOSEMITE WILDERNESS PLAN

My plan to return Yosemite to wilderness.

Make it difficult to get to Yosemite.

That’s the solution. Here is my 10 point plan.

1. Remove all roads in the Park. This means Hwy 120 first. It does not mean barricade the road, it means remove the pavement, bridges, tunnels and all other improvements.

2. Remove all roads within 20 miles of Yosemite. See #1 for particulars. This means hikers will have to walk 20 miles to get to any Yosemite border.

3. Remove all buildings, walkways, bridges, and anything man made.

4. Clean up the backcountry. Remove trail signs, cairns, and all navigation aids.

5. Allow no one to operate a business in, to, or out of Yosemite.

6. Make it a Federal Offense to maintain any trail. This includes trimming trees and shrubs, cutting blow-downs on any trail.

7. Ban all domestic animals to include horses, mules, and dogs.

8. Ban all mechanical equipment to include drones and helicopters of any kind.

9. Adjust, jam, or scramble our satellite system to prevent any GPS, radio, microwave, cell, or communication signal from reaching any area of the park.

10. The only job for any Ranger will be to walk the backcountry and enforce these rules.

Make entry into the Parks free. The price of admission is you will have to walk 20 miles to get to it. We will save so much money by implementing my 10 Point plan, there will be no need to charge Americans to visit their own National Parks.

Corporate sponsors? That&#039;s the last thing we need.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, you wrote this for me, right?</p>
<p>We need to keep in mind that National Parks, like some Civil War battlegrounds are different than places like Yosemite, Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, Death Valley, or Joshua Tree. These National Parks we need to preserve&#8230; now preservation doesn&#8217;t mean to make access easy or to remake them into the image of what Walt Disney would build &#8212; an amusement park. We need to preserve them so future generations can visit them and see them just like we found them, when the first White visitors came upon them.</p>
<p>We need to revert the above named Parks, and many more, back into wilderness. Wilderness isn&#8217;t roads, hotels, traffic, public buses, smog, eateries, humanized animals, and the other travesties we have bestowed on these wonderful places. </p>
<p>Teddy Roosevelt said,</p>
<p>&#8220;It is also vandalism wantonly to destroy or to permit the destruction of what is beautiful in nature, whether it be a cliff, a forest, or a species of mammal or bird. Here in the United States we turn our rivers and streams into sewers and dumping-grounds, we pollute the air, we destroy forests, and exterminate fishes, birds and mammals &#8212; not to speak of vulgarizing charming landscapes with hideous advertisements. But at last it looks as if our people were awakening.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yosemite Valley and many other National Parks are now vulgarized versions of what the once were &#8212; when we first found them. What we have done to places like Yosemite Valley, the Grand Canyon, and many other places, is exactly what Roosevelt complained about.</p>
<p>A few years ago I put together a plan for Yosemite. We can apply it to most of our other National Parks.</p>
<p>YOSEMITE WILDERNESS PLAN</p>
<p>My plan to return Yosemite to wilderness.</p>
<p>Make it difficult to get to Yosemite.</p>
<p>That’s the solution. Here is my 10 point plan.</p>
<p>1. Remove all roads in the Park. This means Hwy 120 first. It does not mean barricade the road, it means remove the pavement, bridges, tunnels and all other improvements.</p>
<p>2. Remove all roads within 20 miles of Yosemite. See #1 for particulars. This means hikers will have to walk 20 miles to get to any Yosemite border.</p>
<p>3. Remove all buildings, walkways, bridges, and anything man made.</p>
<p>4. Clean up the backcountry. Remove trail signs, cairns, and all navigation aids.</p>
<p>5. Allow no one to operate a business in, to, or out of Yosemite.</p>
<p>6. Make it a Federal Offense to maintain any trail. This includes trimming trees and shrubs, cutting blow-downs on any trail.</p>
<p>7. Ban all domestic animals to include horses, mules, and dogs.</p>
<p>8. Ban all mechanical equipment to include drones and helicopters of any kind.</p>
<p>9. Adjust, jam, or scramble our satellite system to prevent any GPS, radio, microwave, cell, or communication signal from reaching any area of the park.</p>
<p>10. The only job for any Ranger will be to walk the backcountry and enforce these rules.</p>
<p>Make entry into the Parks free. The price of admission is you will have to walk 20 miles to get to it. We will save so much money by implementing my 10 Point plan, there will be no need to charge Americans to visit their own National Parks.</p>
<p>Corporate sponsors? That&#8217;s the last thing we need.</p>
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